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Now I should like to present our first scientist, Dr. James E. McDonald, who now holds the position

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of Senior Physicist, Institute of Atmospheric Physics, and Professor of Department of Meteorology,

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University of Arizona. Briefly, his educational background includes a BA in Chemistry from

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the University of Omaha, an MS in Meteorology from the Boston Tech, and a PhD in Physics

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from Iowa State University. He has been a research physicist at the University of Chicago

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and has taught physics at Iowa State University prior to his current position. He is a member

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of the American Meteorological Society, the American Geophysical Union, the Royal Meteorology

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Society, and Sigma Psi. I am honored to present our distinguished guest, Dr. McDonald.

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Ladies and gentlemen, I am pleased to have the chance to talk with you and discuss the

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results of what I have found in a approximately 12 months intensive study of this extremely

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interesting problem of the under-deadified flying office. I began about last April to take

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a post-bocaine problem, having been moderately interested in the problem for some years prior

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to that. I have been at Wright-Patterson and taught at Blue Book, and have gone through

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150 or so cases in their files, examining and looking at them, and have been up there

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three times talking to scientific and military staff at Blue Book. I had talked with the

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people in the Air Force, both the scientific and military, about other aspects of the problem,

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and around the country discussing with independent groups such as Niacath and Washington, one of

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the outstanding independent groups who has done an excellent job over the years, and digging

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into this fascinating problem. I have on my own fork interviewed dozens of key witnesses

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in important cases around the country, and have examined the hundreds of cases in a good

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deal of detail. I have gone over Air Force evaluations, Dr. Menzel's analysis of problems,

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and have other evaluations, and it is against that background that I now tell you that the

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signing that Mr. Powell discussed, which I was quite interested to hear about, is by

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no means out of the representative of the categories of signings that demand immediate, serious scientific

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attention in this country and all over the world. That is part of what I am here to tell

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you today. This is not an unsent problem. It has been made out, and a lot of you have

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had fun, I suppose, writing feature stories about little green men and hoaxers and so on.

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Believe me, that is the wrong part of this problem to take a look at. In the past week

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I have spent all of my time discussing with scientific colleagues and with military people

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in Washington my serious concern, and I am glad to be able to say to you that this week,

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I think I have given you ten talks this week in briefings. I am glad to say to you that

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scientific and official concern is beginning to change. I have been at the office of neighborhood

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research lab, I have been at the garden twice this week, briefing, studying in the military

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Air Force and other personnel, and I have talked to Academy, National Academy of People this

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week, National Science Foundation and other persons whose influence on the problem I believe

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will quickly show up about whose affiliations I am not free to discuss with. I have to say

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to you that as a result of a pretty close look at this problem, we all missed the vote.

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I think we have been misled. I think the problem has been most serious and must handled officially

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for twenty years. The problem has been misrepresented by many interacting factors including

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yourselves, including scientists such as myself, and I have tried to put all of this down on

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a rather long paper that is at the back of the room, and I kept possibly twenty minutes

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before all of the details of this, but I will refer to the sections of this twenty-eight

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page paper as I go along, and I hope that since I know you can't read that now, and I know

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you can't read it before you leave, I hope that all of you will take back either to read

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on the airplane or to return with it and give to your scientific editors or air-bonded editors

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or whatever you want to have that paper which shows into some of the details develops my

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point of view as best I can. I think the problem has been superficially and incompetently handled

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by the Air Force. I have said that in many open discussions. I have said it to Air Force

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generals this week. I said it to Air Force generals months ago, and I say it again. The

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history of the problem as Major Mandela briefly indicated began in 1947. The turning point in

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the problem, and I agree with the gold-modest because all of these details are spelled out

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in my paper, the pillar of the point in the history of the year of the old was the Robertson

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panel of 1953, five well-known scientists assembled by the Air Force and the CIA to have a look

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at the problem. There, the security agency concern that led to that group grew out of the heavy

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wave of reports of 1952, not exceeded even by last year 1,000 reports. I was startled when

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I went into Major Mandela's office and saw five feet of a shell being just devoted to the

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1952 wave of sighting. So many that security people were concerned with the clogging of

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intelligence channels. They had five scientists assemble. They spent two days, they spied good

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men, and two days is just not enough to look at this problem. They ruled the relevance of

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hostility over artifacts of the hostile foreign power, suggesting that an educational program

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be launched. This was never done, it would have been a good thing. The fourth recommendation,

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which came from strong interaction with CIA representatives in this session, and I have

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written my report on page six or seven, mentioned the names of persons whom CIA representatives

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paid three over there. The interaction led to the recommendation, I quote from the report,

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I am in the superior position of being almost the only one outside of official Air Force

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channels who has seen this document that Major Mandela gave to me and I made extensive notes

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when I asked such for this for a copy. Things happened and it has been re-classified by the CIA.

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I have made no comments about this for several months. It was fully clear to all the personnel

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of Blue Book and the foreign technology division, I have no hesitation now to discuss it in

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full, see my paper for more details. The actual request was for quote debunking of the flying

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saucers and the reason was to quote reduce public interest in flying saucers. This is not

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a sinister dark objective. They wanted to get the noise out of the signal that was plugging

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the intelligence channels but it was a sign of the tragedy that at that time this problem

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was not turned over in the face of non-hostility, the scientific groups. It was not, it stayed

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in the Air Force as grandly as nearly as I can see it is downgraded to an extremely low

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priority project which Blue Book when I was there first involved the Major, the Sergeant

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and the Secretary. Now Major Mandela has indicated that the Air Force is on other sources of

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expertise and when we read the press releases from the Pentagon desk we do indeed get the

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opinion that Air Force expertise which is not zero by any means has been used. My examination

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of the problem strongly indicates that that Air Force expertise has had very little to

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do with Project Blue Book and that this is the hardest problem. For instance in the case

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of radar I talked not very many days ago to the Air Force's best radar propagation man

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Dr. David Atlas who indicated to me, no he has never been involved in any discussions

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of propagation of copies or anything like that in all his years at Air Force Cambridge

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and I can go on and illustrate examples of that sort. The question of what the UFOs are

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is crucial when you look at sightings such as Matthew, Mr. Pal and Mr. Pave have talked

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about when you realize as I and I will do but did not 12 months ago that these are not

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unrepresentative sightings. The close range sightings of discs and cigar shaped objects

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are frequently seen at tens of feet within populous areas are on the increase, credible

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observers, multiple witnesses, case in Beverly, Massachusetts were five adults through the

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police officers, including 20 feet of an object that was right over the middle of the street

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and in fact my paper are 18 cases of thousands and in this particular case of the last spring

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I said that sort of thing in Powell's observation are representative of the interesting observations

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they are not confined to the United States when time is going on all over the world.

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When you look at this as far as reports I can only bounce for the American reports that

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I have checked and those are completely staggering and when Blue Book tells you and me as we

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just heard a moment ago that there is nothing in the unidentified objects that defies present

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day explanation in terms of science and technology that's Balderdash and that is

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and this letter is wrong. This kind of don't say a logic that you Mr. Powell saw. Well if

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you could be the only one who heard of it you would forget about it. But look at the unidentified

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cases, the exeter Damon Texas, for during Michigan. Look at the sightings that last only a couple

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months ago in Davis, California. Look at these cases that simply fit no dimensional, no scientific,

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no known explanation. Something is going on here of the greatest scientific interest that

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has been shoved under a rug, ridiculed and laughed out of court. You have ridiculed your

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future writers. So you do write a funny story. Once the air is still due there is nothing

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to it. Once more logical than to say people say things. There are a lot of nuts around

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the country and that has led to the, now in fact, very few of these are reported. For

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example, Mr. Powell's report never got on the wire. He called after days deliberation.

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He told me Naval Air Station had gone and they weren't very eager to see if they were

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going to report it. And the number of people who have been hurt, invader citizens who have

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been hurt by Air Force callous rejection and discrediting saying they saw quickly stars

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on is a very large number that I am, I have a person in contact with. And I will just

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describe it as a citizen of all this kind of, if there were some reason for it. And we're

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in a national security issue but it's just incompetence and operation. And we have a lot of serious

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issues with the problem, despite the fact that there might be some conspiracy. And I've given

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that very careful thought for a number of reasons. The group at night after Washington has had

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much more contact with this problem than either the Air Force or I. And they have again and

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again encountered cases where it looked to them as if there must be some really high level

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conspiracy. People have suggested maybe Bluebeck is only a front organization and doesn't know

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that it's only a front organization. I can't begin to tell you the course that I have

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checked on this but I do not think it's a grand cover up, it is a grand follow-up. A follow-up

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of incredible proportions unprecedented in my experience. There has been scientists who

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worked with the problem and not very many, Dr. Menzel has won. And on pages 5 to 7 or 7 to

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11 of my paper I make illustrative comments on my strong disagreement. With the basis of

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his arguments I cannot agree with the optical, physical, astronomical principles that argumentation

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that he uses in there. And let's go out so clearly on pages 7 to 11 that I will not elaborate

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that in detail. I do not believe they represent scientifically sound analyses and you can see

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examples in the paper. Another person who has recently looked at the problem is Philip

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Class who has thought perhaps these are plasma phenomena. That's a reasonable thing to have

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looked at and I have had to look at it. I can't agree with Philip Class that any substantial

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portion of the cases can be accounted for in corona or while lightning turns and I make a few

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comments about that on the same pages. A recombination of life times of plasma in the best

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labs in the country is the biggest problem of fuse research. You get life times of more than

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seconds but how did Mr. Powell see this plasma coming along from his hands and watch it for

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tens of seconds? How did two California high-way control when it red-bots from California stand

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about 150-200 feet from 100 foot long object that had great big white blinking lights on it that

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moved up and down and led them to chase them about 70 minutes? How did the Portage County

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Sheriff's deputies of last spring follow for an hour and a half a plasma or a blinking star

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or as Major Quentin Ellis said, a combination of echo and venus. An explanation that is utterly

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absurd and it still stands for official explanation. Currently, your status is told.

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The investigation confirms that. That too is utter rock and I tell you.

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This is what the same hands-for-stop and you editors are in an excellent committee to help stop this by pressing

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for what I am afraid of this culture may be the only way to escalate serious scientific

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concern and that is to ask for a full and fair international inquiry into the past 20 years of

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mishandling of this extremely important problem. Now scientists doesn't even like to pursue these

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routes. I don't. You often get, not only less than you hoped, you get into, you move side of

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progress but sometimes you don't. We must have a hearing that is not like the one last spring

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which was called by Congressman Ford as a result of constituents concerned over Air Force handling

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of the Michigan cases which were explained in terms of sloth gas. No single explanation

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was brought to the Air Force for ridicules. I discussed that case in my paper too. That too is nonsense.

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And this still stands the explanation. This is an explanation that came directly from Dr. Heineck

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and the Clinton-Mitchell-Mellon has ensured me that it's he, not him, that I must have my discussions with

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and I have but the explanation has not been retracted. When the Ford got into an investigation,

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fascinating model of evidence that exists on this column. It has

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between what you as editors suspect is the nature of the problem and what you see in

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just looking at cooking service coverage where you get all the socks on or a gazette reports

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is what's incredible. I couldn't believe that my first law months ago last spring,

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and the number of incidents that are smoking Pennsylvania or across the Washington,

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I've never heard of. Nobody else here is up if you read New York Times and your own paper.

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You won't have heard them because we have collectively helped the Air Force just kind of forget about

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just someone that comes to a problem and who have helped and yet the evidence is simply a sound thing.

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Well, I much prefer to talk about the purely scientific aspects of some of these explanations.

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I have no startling scientific illumination of the problem. It's baffling to me.

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Nothing in my scientific education prepares me to give you a packed explanation of what is going on here.

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But I'm saying to the colleagues on the basis of this examination of many cases which are

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not folks' expectations in total. There are folks, there are misinterpreted phenomena,

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there are all these things. They are not advanced test vehicles, believe me.

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No Air Force test vehicle has been a goal for five miles yet.

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A load of gas truck in Oklahoma, Anderson, another temple was talking to me.

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This is the sort of thing landing in the middle of cities and no American test vehicle is going to be tested in Brazil or New Zealand

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and no Russian test vehicle is going to be tested in the United States or in England.

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These are, there's every reason that the phenomenon is global. They are not advanced test vehicles.

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They are not hallucinations. I've had three sessions with psychologists to try to get at.

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Is there anything in your clinical experience that would match that? The answer is no.

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Certainly it doesn't sound like anything psychological. I've done it through all.

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When you have some cases of dozens of witnesses and there are such, some frequently radar sightings,

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although they follow the Air Force, those are disclaimed and blamed on weather, electronic malfunctions and so on and other certain things.

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And it's a bling that way after 1953. You want to get all the Air Force radar sightings.

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You go back before the CIA requested the bugging policy and Air Force regulating 200 bags to all I wish to discuss in my paper by the way

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with more detail might be going to here.

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Well what could be done? The Colorado program is a beginning but I'm uneasy about the Colorado program.

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There is not nearly enough scientific talent for that program.

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I said that quite openly without attending the car to many people in Washington and this must be beefed up immediately.

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The third of $100 is to, I guess, our book wall to say, what about a waste of taxpayers' money? That's not true.

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The book wall is in the room. What we need is much more attention to this problem.

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Unfortunately, it requires money but it requires people and that's what's sure about the car.

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So they have not taken the problem on trace, personally not to muster the scientific talent to justice for that.

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And we need immediate escalation of the problem. Congratulations to the inquiry that you can press forth will connect to the threat.

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I've also to some of the problem arrived. I don't have great confidence in that being the greatest solution.

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I'll continue to drive one scientist to pursue it in other ways.

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The problem belongs in a science-oriented agency, not the military, by their own statements which I agree.

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There is no clear cut-out of this monstility. Let's get into a scientific agency.

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Amusingly, all my efforts to interest NASA in this give me the feeling that they think it's nonsense too.

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I think they've been boot-winked and sort of an intensity brain-watch for years and years.

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And all of this has not as result of any pilot conspiracy to justice a file.

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But a file of great, really incredible proportions.

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We must launch a new level of investigation and to close on that point there are very specific things.

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Radar is already deployed. The trouble is it's compromised by present-regulating.

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There are many radar sightings. This would be an immediate objective source of information that could be put into scientific terms and be very useful.

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There are a large number of electromagnetic effects known in the evidence.

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Car stop in cases. A level in Texas of 1957. A fascinating case.

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Nine different medical stops. This is going on all the time.

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A nightcap must have 150 examples of this. There is going on in Australia, England and so on.

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This one here with us are apparently interference effects right on TV.

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Magnetologists, math compasses. A lot of electromagnetic effects.

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Well, we are collectively very good, so to me so.

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Science flows a lot about electromagnetic sensing devices.

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Many things could be done quickly if only the thing we're taking the problem we're taking seriously.

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Airlines. There are many airline reports in the whole of the evidence.

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But once the airports began to discredit, and they have just in some cases,

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mercifully discredit pilots, that source of information has pretty much dried up.

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That can be changed. No long teams need to be prepared to get out into the field of a hurry with a lot of gear.

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This can be done. I discussed this in the Pentagon last week with people who know a great deal more about that sort of thing.

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The whole question of pre-1947 science, which I can't begin to even sketch,

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must be looked at by historical scholars as well as students of the history of technology

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to examine the interesting question of whether

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the findings that appear to constitute a continuum of low levels running back to the turn of the century at least are the same phenomenon.

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My camp is coming out to the audience in a few months that represents a good compilation of evidence.

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It needs this historical sophistication to assess it.

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That's a very important thing to do because the whole nature of the problem is quite different if it is the case.

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I mean in this direction that aside from the marked increase beginning in 1947,

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there appears to be the same phenomenon of craft-like machine-like objects operating in our environment for tens of years.

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All of the problem is the ridicule that you're setting on it.

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You're setting on it in a way that is very important.

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Get off the lid and get your wire service people to take it seriously.

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Look at the problem yourself.

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Examine it for yourself and get off that lid because that's a big problem now.

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You don't know whether changes in the frequency of sightings is a real change

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or just because you have given it serious credence in your area

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and so people come out with reports that they wouldn't otherwise have told us all about.

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You're on the lid. Get off it.

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Ask for congressional investigation.

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Read and just report the 18 or 20 editorial comments in the assembly.

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See that some of your colleagues have already pressed for this, perhaps too faintly in the past.

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Have a look for yourself at the evidence and you will find an astounding picture of enormous interest

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that has been mishandled and misrepresented for far too long. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Well, we've got a good juicy controversy going on.

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I'm all shook up myself.